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Who is your " I am" that your voice should be heard?

by The Rebel in

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i was recently thinking before i became " mike" i was an innocent baby, then as the days passed slowly by, i developed a sence of " iam".

as the days moved forward my body, slowly developed a a "sex organ" whilst my mind took on a sence of " emotional" and " intellectual" i am" .

this allowed me to become my current " i am?.

The Rebel

Thanks for the reply " prologos" may I comment on your " I consider my views normal of course". That's my reason for the thread, growing up a witness we consider our " I am" the normal view, yet in my case I was 3 years behind most kids, understanding where babies came from, and only now do I realize how beautiful a woman looks in Sanitex rubber body stockings :-)

So my silly humor aside, we all want to be like Jesus and say " I am the truth the way and the life" but like Jesus to be able to say that where does that separation from being a baby and the becoming of " I am" start?

Actually I am not intellectual enough to answer these questions, so may I introduce James Joyce to the forum? He or She said these wonderful words:-

I am tiny tiny think

Ever flying to the spring,

Long ago I was a king

Now I do this kind of thing

On the wing, On the wing Bing.

I hope I resited the poem correctly? However I think what he/ she was saying in that poem, is that all of humanities problems, start from our inability to sit quietly in a room alone. Sitting in that room alone I have recently questioned and asked myself why does my " I am" feel it important others believe what I believe?

The Rebel

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What were you never going to do in "This system" But did it?

by karter in

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finish school.. finish my apprenticeship (why are you doing that brother karter you will never finish it in this system).. buy a house.. pay the house off.. karter..

The Rebel

Karter (Q) What were you never going to do in " This system" But did it?

The Rebel ( A) Become a full fledged 100% happy apostate :-) . However i am still glad that attending the K,H and growing up being a full fledged witness in the 1980s, prevented me fron wasting so many years in front of the T.V screen wondering who killed J.R, on Dallas.

The Rebel.

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Who is your " I am" that your voice should be heard?

by The Rebel in

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i was recently thinking before i became " mike" i was an innocent baby, then as the days passed slowly by, i developed a sence of " iam".

as the days moved forward my body, slowly developed a a "sex organ" whilst my mind took on a sence of " emotional" and " intellectual" i am" .

this allowed me to become my current " i am?.

The Rebel

I was recently thinking before I became " Mike" I was an innocent baby, then as the days passed slowly by, I developed a sence of " iam". As the days moved slowly forward my body, equally slowly developed a "sex organ" whilst my mind took on a sence of " emotional" and " intellectual" I am" . This allowed me to become my current " I am"

Therefore I think it only fair the innocent child I was half a century past, be allowed to ask these questions:-

A) How much do i now know who " I am" ?

B) Is our biological sexual persuasion to be judged by other people's " I am?

C) How many of our political and religious believes are influenced by other people's " I am ?

Ok no longer a baby, I could write this thread usng words like psychoanalytic, or the phenomenological theory of subjectivity to explain my " I am",but I think that's " bottling" it. And I think my following questions are more challenging questions. Why? Because I am not asking that you explain your believes, be you athiest, agnostic or believer. My questions are more complicated :-

A ) Who are You?

B) Why do you believe as you do?

C) Why do you think it important other people believe what you believe?

The Rebel.

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Here's a view on homosexuality for you...

by konceptual99 in

...right from a pro-jw site in response to a post about the relative seriousness of homosexuality.

all you can do is reason from the scriptures, which you appear to have done.

homosexuality is as serious as bestiality, or adultery and fornication.

The Rebel

The Jesus, and self exclaimed proclaimers that " homosexuality" is a sin, should read his words. Yes the words " attributed" to Jesus never spoke of homosexuality.

i don't know much about being homosexual, but I do know in modern theatre, even " Macho" men like Pacino, are more relaxed about themselfs than most here who judge. Watch Pahinos portrayal of a homosexual in " Dog Day Afternnon" the guy like all " homosexuals" doesn't need to prove his masculinity to no one.

And neither do Elton John nor George Michael, both of whom I have met. ( I grew up in watford and new George Michael as a friend of my brother, Elton from the chippy ( when I was a boy off 12 I used to go to the chippy) and in that chippy more than once after watching many a Watford football match Elton used to come in and talk about the game...the only difference from George Michael & Elton to me is they made something of their life's, and took a a lot of media crap a long the way. They were Pacinos, character in dog day Afternnon, they were relaxed about their sexuality. In my opinion people to admire. I don't judge George Michael picking up people in toilets, it's a persons choice. And to like partners of the same sex is not a crime nor is it a reason to hate. However that sort of thinking I believe comes from the more primitive past and our Jehovers Witness mind indoctrination,Today our movies and our entertainment industry's no longer ban a screen kiss, or lyrics about sex, and It's time for many Religions to also grow up...if those Religion dont grow up then they are only promoting hatred.

The Rebel.

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Beyond the Kingdom Hall.

by The Rebel in

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the religoios lessons themselfs are not missed, they were actually quite dull, and i realize i learnt nothing of value from them.

instead a quite evening at home playing with my boy is more endearing.. yes my life has moved on, i occassionaly see members of my former congregation in shopping centers, or they are putting the kids in to the back of the car and inside i believe most of them have bottled it, they prefer the comfort to the " truth" who am i to expose the can of worms.. many of course can blame parents or grandparents for having grown up as outcasts in school and i hope if they do leave like me they hold no resentment.

indoctrination is a terrible thing, and even false prophecy, royal commissions, and proof that many of the elders in the congregation are complete and utter shits won't change them.

The Rebel

The religious lessons themselfs are not missed, they were actually quite dull, and I realize I learnt nothing of value from them. Instead a quite evening at home playing with my boy is more endearing. Yes my life has moved on, I occassionaly see members of my former congregation in shopping centers, or they are putting the kids in to the back of the car and inside I believe most of them have bottled it, they prefer the comfort to the " truth" Who am I to expose the can of worms.

Many of course can blame parents or grandparents for having grown up as outcasts in school and I hope if they do leave like me they hold no resentment. Indoctrination is a terrible thing, and even false prophecy, Royal commissions, and proof that many of the elders in the congregation are complete and utter shits won't change that. This however no longer baffles me and I am content simply being indifferent to any arguments that are made to prompt my return.

I still bear some resentment to the G.B, and those that belong to the more prosperous positions simply because personally I believe most are leading a double life and are indifferent to the life's they are ruining. However such people exist in all organisations, which is why many organized minded people are attracted to organisation. Politics and business not only religion confirm this.

Now it is my first summer " beyond" the Kingdom Hall walls, and when I see a pub in the evening I will stop there and no longer rush home to prepare for a meeting. A Guinness in a pub has introduced me to some of life's most wonderful characters.

I do appreciate many here who have doubts have a lot to be slaughtered about if they leave. The personal "shit" is the part of the journey I won't judge. As for the factual stuff you must be aware of it, otherwise you wouldn't be here.

So I have started this O.P hoping others like me will have magnificent testimonies on how there life's have improved, however I am sure many have struggled and sadly life may be pretty miserable. Both testimonies are equally appreciated. The important thing is it takes guts and courage to move on, and happy endings can't be guaranteed, but each posters testimony is of equal value and the " lucky bastards" like me I hope are not the few.

The Rebel.

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My possibly " Unique" Trolly Witness....

by The Rebel in

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i don't usually anti-witness anymore, but being out of town and bored i went up and introduced myself to a couple of sisters " trolly witnessing" then a voice from behind me spoke " if you don't mind i think i was in front of you".

i stepped back, apologising as i did so, and decided to continue with my day.. anyway this trivial incident i post because it may be quite unique, i mean i really can't imagine anywhere else in the world where people are queing up to speak to these people manning " trolly carts" can you?.

and on the whole i think that's a good thing, even if he was ahead of me only to anti-witness?.

The Rebel

Pete Zahut, great minds think alike. Admitadly your post was a slightly more direct way of making my point with Perry than yours . However I think the interesting observation was:-

A) Most sensible posters on this forum ignored my O.P.

B) Perry got 3 " green" likes for his comment and not one " red" dis-like.

So my point is I love the intelligent points you make "Pete Zahut" on this forum, but this time your point of view seemed very aggressive " people being slaughtered and all that" Oh sorry that was what Perry thinks.

Correction: Learning lesson. Perry only said he was grateful for learning about " a paradise earth" he never said any of the stuff about believing in Jehovers Witness and Armaggedon crap.

Love your posts " PETE ZAHUT" and as its Eurovision Song Contest tonight, it's a family " PiIZZA" watching the crap. ( I mean musical talent) any body else watching this tonight. It's better than preparing for a Watchtoer study. ( And that's saying a lot)

The Rebel.

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My possibly " Unique" Trolly Witness....

by The Rebel in

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i don't usually anti-witness anymore, but being out of town and bored i went up and introduced myself to a couple of sisters " trolly witnessing" then a voice from behind me spoke " if you don't mind i think i was in front of you".

i stepped back, apologising as i did so, and decided to continue with my day.. anyway this trivial incident i post because it may be quite unique, i mean i really can't imagine anywhere else in the world where people are queing up to speak to these people manning " trolly carts" can you?.

and on the whole i think that's a good thing, even if he was ahead of me only to anti-witness?.

The Rebel

Interesting point Perry.

The Rebel ( A) Possibly converting to a religion is based upon interest with self, and the prospect of a paradise earth does have great appeal to self. Maybe this is why seemingly innocent questions can touch upon a persons sensibility, and why the emotional impact, manages to dismiss the ovbiouse stupidity of what's being said?

The Rebel.

p.s :-I think Jehovers witnesses in field service delivering a false message can do great harm, particularly if they take the time and trouble to follow up with a bible study. Being sincere and being sincerly wrong is a dangerous combination.

The Rebel.

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What should I visit while in New York

by wannaexit in

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i am planning a trip to new york and trying to develop an itinerary.

t will be my first time.

what do you suggest i see?

The Rebel

The " Seinfelt" cafe. :-)

The Rebel.

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shutting down topics now?

by disposable hero of hypocrisy in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5744214272901120/suicide-idea?page=3&size=10.

i can't comment on this topic on either of my devices or multiple browsers.. so we're shutting down topics now are we?

i'm assuming you've disabled commenting due to your feeling that it's a troll.

The Rebel

On this site so many times people have exposed their virginity. Often teenage witnesses having to debate the existence of God with atheists. Most times more mature members offer support and kind words, even on occasion unintentially supporting the occasional " bullshitter".

Personally I would rather support 1000, bullshiters than let one genuine cry from the heart go unheard. Therefore on this occasion I think it was so wrong " shutting down a post" of such importance, and personally i hope it's restored.

The Rebel.

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My possibly " Unique" Trolly Witness....

by The Rebel in

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i don't usually anti-witness anymore, but being out of town and bored i went up and introduced myself to a couple of sisters " trolly witnessing" then a voice from behind me spoke " if you don't mind i think i was in front of you".

i stepped back, apologising as i did so, and decided to continue with my day.. anyway this trivial incident i post because it may be quite unique, i mean i really can't imagine anywhere else in the world where people are queing up to speak to these people manning " trolly carts" can you?.

and on the whole i think that's a good thing, even if he was ahead of me only to anti-witness?.

The Rebel

I should mention why I decided to give up anti-witnessing. I had ticked all the boxes to helping my friend see the light ( false prophecy, royal commission, proof that some of the elders in the congregation were complete and utter shits, only to receive the " I hope to make it through Armageddon reply". Let's cut the story short, the guy is once again back to being oblivious to reality, I was so close, yet unable to break his indoctrination.

I now believe he was paronoid, that he generally belived despite all I said,that I may someday return to the K.H. Then the paranoia set in, and he thinks our confidential discussions would be revealed to the elders. To complicate " anti witnessing" further I then realized his learning exsperience were complicated by his wife, kids, family, all being indoctrinated. I concluded my efforts were not needed.

This is why I have decided to stop anti-witnessing. I realize others who may want to leave may have too much to get slaughtered over. So if they have doubts they also need to work out a lot of personal shit also . The personal " shit" is the part of the journey you can't judge, and as for the other factual stuff, well they have to be blind not to spot it.

Yes life goes on, I occasionally see members of my former congregation in shopping centers, or they are putting the kids in to the back seat of a car, and inside I believe most of them have bottled it, they prefer the comfort to the truth. Who am I to expose the can of worms?

And SO but for " circumstances" could be me :-)

The Rebel.